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Dag 01- 2009 discussiegroep

Discussion Group - Thursday March 26, 2009

MULTI-DIMENSIONAL BEING & AWARENESS – The Journey Begins


Introduction to 40-Days
We are on Day 1 of our 40 - Day Retreat and we had a very nice day today.  In fact for myself I enjoyed very much the beginning of the day and also yesterday evening’s session.  So I’m very keen to know what you think, those of you who are joining us on the web and also those of you who are here.  It’s the beginning of the journey and I tried to paint for you the perspective from which I’m going to speak throughout this series.

You have the opportunity now to speak with me and I’d like it to be related to the subject of today.  Let’s take the subject of today and when you read through this or listened this morning how did it impress you?  What did it create within you?   If you have questions about it or comments about it, feel free to join in and ask or to comment.

It’s a new 40 day period, 2009 over the years some of you have been in the 40 day period with us, so what is different about this year – and even if you are new, some of you, what does it mean to be here and to listen to my words this morning?  How did it impact you and what has it created within you perhaps that will inspire the rest of the 40 days?

What did you mean that Kundalini energy in us is the same as in the universe?


Question:        
The energy that I feel is much stronger than it was when I was here two years ago, so that’s in answer to your first question.  Today’s message was for me a message that showed first of all a perspective of hope, that there is a possibility for growth and becoming more aware, more conscious of my inner being.

You said that the Kundalini energy is a kind of mirror or it shows how the outer world is.  You make a combination between inner world and outer world.  Do you mean that we co-create our world around us or is it the same as “Your enemy is your best friend?” what we see in others is also part of ourselves.

Sri Vasudeva:
No actually what I was saying here is, that energy that is stored within us – that sacred Energy that is stored within the human being, when awakened begins to travel along the spine opening up the chakras – that sacred Energy within a human being which when awakened will cause an expansion in awareness as these different centers open up.  That energy in a human is called Kundalini.

In the whole universe there is a stored energy.  And this energy is called Maha Kundali.  Kundal means coiled and so Kundali is the hidden energy at the heart of the whole universe and it’s called Maha which means great.  But in the individual that power inside of us that sleeping power, is called Kundalini.

By extension I was also implying that the energy of the divine is also in the whole universe – not only within us but also in the whole universe because I said the Kundalini model allows us to see all the different qualities of energies that exist within us and within our world.  That’s why this is such a perfect model in understanding our universe and our interaction with the universe, that we can also see the universe impacts us with energy.

For example we impact each other with different chakras. If we’re dealing with an animal for example, whatever different chakra the animal has, we impact each other based on that.

Whatever energy there is in the objects in the world, like the earth for example would have its own energy.  So it will not have chakras like a human being would have but the earth chakra might just be muladhara, because the muladhara is just based on the earth, the material thing.  But the energy of Kundalini in the universe is called Kundali (MahaKundali).

Thank you very much. I am happy that you said that the message is one of hope, that it gives the idea of achieving, that you can aspire to achieve things that can uplift you, make you happy and ultimately set you free.

How do I hold on to spiritual experiences?


Question:        
You asked us to contemplate about the multidimensionality of life and to go deeper into the experience.  When I want to go deeper,for instance in the energy of love, then thoughts come up and when I notice those thoughts and I come to analyze them then the experience becomes less.   How can I go deeper without these thoughts that bring me off the experience?

Sri Vasudeva: 
This means that your mind is pulling you away, that the mind is still influencing you powerfully.  You need to learn how to stay in the observer and to be detached from the mind.  You CAN be detached from the mind and you CAN control the mind.  That is the possibility.  That is the discipline of the mind that you need to learn because the mind is pulling you away from the deeper experience of the heart. So discipline of mind is required and of course a lot of things I’ve said about discipline of mind:  the repetition of mantra; the power of focus and concentration; the use of the eyebrow center; the use of the breathing… I’ve said a number of things in how to manage the mind.

Training the mind is a foundation discipline, is a fundamental discipline.  If you don’t learn how to train the mind, then it’s going to be difficult to advance.  If you don’t learn the early stages of study, then it’s hard to study at the higher level.  So you need to accomplish the lower task.  That’s why sometimes we want to become completely free but it begins with the simple discipline of learning how to keep one thought in your mind.  We need to cover the basic discipline.

Every day take time to learn how to manage your mind, to just sit quietly and just keep one thought in your mind.  That’s a good discipline.  When the mind is controlled and you’re having deeper experiences, you can detach yourself from the moving mind.

How can I understand such a difficult subject?


Question:        
I’m relatively new to the subject of Kundalini so I noticed I found it difficult to relate to the subject because I have never experienced it

Sri Vasudeva: 
Today’s message was not entirely about Kundalini.   I spoke about Kundalini in it but I spoke about more than Kundalini.  I spoke about an infinite source within us; I spoke about different qualities that manifest within us (energy) – mental energy, emotional energy, vital energy…and I spoke about the relationship between the Source Being, the relationship between the subtle energies that we feel and the physical world.  I say that these are three levels that we exist in and that we need to understand them more and more. I said in the talk too, that we need to begin to observe what happens and try to go deeper into the awareness of each and their relationship. Kundalini has to do with the subtle energy field.

If you don’t know about Kundalini I’m sure that during the 40 Days you’re going to learn much more because during the first days I’m just creating a perspective, a view, an overview for people to see all the things that I’m going to speak about so the important thing here is to be able to see the larger view and then we’ll zero in on the smaller topics.

My interest is knowing “how much of the larger view have you seen or are seeing?”  That’s important for me, the relationship between these different levels – and how aware you are of these different levels and their challenges.

How do we manage our fields of awareness?


Question:        
When I’m meditating at a certain point during the meditation or during the healing the view becomes very large.  How can I go deeper?  It’s very difficult to focus then because the field is becoming very large.

Sri Vasudeva: 
We need to learn how to operate at the same time in a large band of awareness where I can narrow my awareness to just thinking about the glasses and in a moment I can just stretch the awareness, shift it, as though I’m shifting my view and be aware of the whole room.  So just at this moment I’m aware of my glasses and in another moment I can shift to the whole room.  If I want I can be aware of both at the same time.  I’m holding the whole room and I’m holding my glasses as well.

This is the training that we need when we have an expanding awareness field, the ability to narrow the focus or to open the focus as we choose to.

Question:        
Is it a way of staying aware of the body and staying aware of certain feelings and at the same time being aware of the larger field?

Sri Vasudeva: 

If you begin to give your attention to a number of things within you, you’ll find automatically that your attention is opening; your field is expanding.  When your field expands then you’re becoming aware of everything.  So let’s say I’m expanding my field of looking. I can see everything in the room – I can see everything, but I’m not focusing on anything in particular but I’m seeing everything. If I want to focus on something in particular, then I’ve not lost the complete awareness of the room but a larger part of my focus is on what I am focusing on.

I’m saying this is the ability we need to have, to hold a large view or to come into a more narrow view and can expand the view to any amount.  For example, I can look at three people in this view, I can look at five people in the view, I can look at the whole room in the view. We need to learn how to change the view as we wish to.

There are no borders because you are held in a larger one and you have not learned how to come back into a narrow.  When a larger one comes, you think “this is the greater one so let me stay here,” but the greater one is what YOU want to focus on and what is your objective.

Question:        
That’s difficult.

Sri Vasudeva: 
You have to learn how to do it.  It’s like…someone floating and then feeling that, “Now I don’t know what to do.  I’m just floating,” but if you begin to move your hand a little bit, if you begin to shift, if you begin to move your body a little bit then you can find yourself changing directions as you float.

Question:        
How can you do that without losing the broad awareness?

Sri Vasudeva: 
You have to decide whether you want to stay in the broad awareness completely without anything else or you want to also come into some narrow awareness.  Sometimes I leave out the broad awareness, well it’s there inside of me – I can go back in a moment, but if I need to reach something here now, I can’t do what I’m doing in meditations.  I’m not sending peace to the whole world, nor am I open to receive peace from the whole world because the states of being here is more important at the moment. I have the power of choice!  In a moment I can go back to the whole world – and that’s the joy.  The joy is that I can go to any one of the spaces and enjoy it but I don’t have to keep myself there.  I don’t have to feel if I come back into the narrow that I have lost it.

Question:        
Explains a lot because I had the idea that the awareness had always to be very large, no?

Sri Vasudeva: 
It needs to be centered in a space that you can access at all times.  It needs to be centered in a space that you can go back to in a moment.  It means that you need to keep an open connection with that space, so you need to have your door open – you can go back anytime.  And if the door is open, you can actually see the light that is on the other side.

You know it’s there.  You can actually feel the peace from that space but now you’re channeling into a narrow space from that space.

Question:        
If I am experiencing warmth and love in my heart.  You told me “You have to deepen it” when it deepens in my experience and it spreads out more through my body it becomes larger – how do I go deeper?

Sri Vasudeva: 

That is going deeper.  That means the centre is opening up more.  It means that if you’re directing now, if you’re focusing on anything in particular it’s going to carry that now; it’s going to carry more.  Suddenly you open your space to offer more.  When your bigger space is opened or when you go into that bigger space, you have more to offer when you bring your attention on anything.

Question:        
In bringing love in anything you do or you say, it doesn’t mean that you have to feel that warmth all the time?

Sri Vasudeva: 
You don’t have to… but it is there. When you have a chakra open, it is open.  You can feel energy from it all the time. You just told me “If it gets bigger and it spreads in the whole body, how do you go deeper?” – well that’s going deeper.

Question:        
The heart chakra closes more if I’m still trying to become more loving?

Sri Vasudeva: 
It closes more when there are blocks that have been there from the past, patterns that are still strong.  That’s how it closes.  Some old pattern will bring it back into a dark space, or the limited space.

Is there a relationship between Consciousness and Energy?

Question:        
Is there a relationship between Consciousness and Energy?

Sri Vasudeva: 
Energy comes from consciousness.  Energy is an emergent entity that comes out of the consciousness, that emerges from the consciousness and it may dissolve again into the Consciousness.  Everything in the universe is energy – even the physical world.  It is all particles vibrating and when they disintegrate they go back into the void, which we call the Consciousness Field.  So energy is held in Consciousness, it’s inside Consciousness; it’s a part of Consciousness.  It is resident in the Consciousness.  That’s why we say that Shiva and Shakti are one.  Shakti is really the Energy and Shiva  is really the Consciousness so Shiva and Shakti are one.  

In relationship to us it means that everything that comes out, everything that is manifest and visible and active, it’s actually coming from an invisible field – a field that for want of a better word we call the void, an invisible field.  It is the Consciousness Field.

Is crying healing?


Question:         
Is crying healing?

Sri Vasudeva: 
Yes crying is certainly healing.  Crying is an emotional expression and in crying we are actually letting go of certain built up feelings inside that need to be expressed and in crying we express that.  It allows full expression of deeper feelings and when they’re expressed, we feel better afterwards.  In that case it’s an emotional release.  Sometimes in the crying, we actually feel a higher state of consciousness after. It’s an expression of the heart centre, so it’s a good thing.

How do you manage thoughts?


Question:   
     
You mentioned the ability to control the mind.  I have a bit of a dilemma there.  When thoughts arise, do you let them pass, observing them?  Is that considered to be control or how do you relate to the thoughts that arise – by boxing them in, by defining them or simply allowing them to pass this way?

Sri Vasudeva: 
It depends on what your purpose is. When you begin to look at thoughts, are these things that you want to entertain or is your objective a still mind?  So if your objective is a still mind you have to let them pass by and wave to them – let them go…let them come, let them go.  But if it’s a thought that you want to entertain, (you say “Wow this is an interesting thought.  I want to follow it,”) then you bring it there, you keep it and you stay with a certain train of thought.

Question:       
“Allowing them to pass” is a form of control?

Sri Vasudeva: 
Yes. The Observer allows you to see every thought that goes by.

How do we know that the observer isn’t caught up by the thoughts?


Question:        
How do you know which thoughts to keep which thoughts not to keep, how do you know it’s not your mind making those judgments and decisions and not tricking you into sort of another game?

Sri Vasudeva: 
The one that is observing is the ego.  The one that is observing also has the power to think.  When we are observing thoughts, this is like the momentum of the mind.  These are thoughts that come and go and the ego has no way of managing it, but the same one who is observing is the same one who is managing.  They’re just different names we call them – one is observer, one is thinker.  But they are the same – the ego in different roles.

You can switch to any role. [You might say] I want to observe, meaning “I don’t want to really think.”  I’m observing and because there are so many thoughts in my mind that I have no control of that even though I’m trying to observe in my mind, all these thoughts are coming but the moment I go into a deeper state of observing and I really begin to look at them, then I find that they disappear because suddenly control comes.

All these patterns that have been there, they’re disappearing, they’re all being resolved or coming into the observer.  What I’m saying is that the one who is looking is also one who thinks.  He’s thinking “Do I want this thought or do I want this thought,”.  It’s an advanced form of thinking that can deal with the patterns that align there like the momentum – after you pull away your attention, this momentum continues because it’s a pattern.  Because you’ve been so conditioned, you don’t see in a moment when you begin to try to observe things that you have been weak to, things that you have been identifying with – they come up and the part of the ego that is trying to control everything, using its mind to control, it has big difficulty.

The observer is not the mind, the observer is somebody trying to control the mind.  The Observer is the advanced part of your being with an advanced mind, a mind that is saying now, “I want to be the superior one here, not you guys.”  It’s really a higher part of you trying to control a lower part of you.

How do you distinguish the source of emotions?


Question:        
When you have emotions, at which point in time do you say, “This is an experience of the heart and this is an experience of emotions?”

Sri Vasudeva: 
The two are related.  When you are having a thought, emotions are also associated with thought.  If you look at everything that goes on:  you think about something, you feel it and so emotions and thoughts they are very closely related.  So when you begin to feel things, thoughts come into your mind; when you begin to think things, feeling comes.  So they’re both like brother and sister.

If you want to separate them then you want to think but you want to be emotionless, which is another kind of emotional state if you were to look at it – a state of holding the emotion.  It’s the emotion of holding the “no emotion”.

I don’t think you should try to create a complete distinction between them.  But in terms of distinction – one engages the heart centre and one engages the mind (the brow centre) but they are very closely related.

If you look, all the chakras are related too – so one influences the other.  When you’re eating there is a feeling in the eating, there’s thoughts in the eating, there is body energy in the eating – so everything is involved.  So that shows how all these things are part of one.

When you’re trying to control, it’s a higher part of you trying to control a lower part of you.  One carries high quality – quality of mind and another has a lower quality of mind.  So the observer that we speak about is at the higher quality of being (possesses mind too, possesses intellect) but it’s a higher quality.  So we speak of higher Self and lower self.  So the Observer is part of that Higher Self activity.

The whole idea is that when you start to draw in two dimensions, you miss another dimension.  When you begin to think of things discreetly like mind and ego then you tend to not see the full picture, in fact all the chakras are so related, they are part of one.  The whole channel of Kundalini is an open channel to any chakra.  The human being has all these chakras and can use any one at any time.

When we say for example we are emotionless – really we are functioning at a certain emotion, one that we call “emotionless.”  “No feeling” is also part of the spectrum of emotion.  If you really do think about it, the heart is held /is withheld in a certain place but the heart is engaged – is engaged with a stopper.  So the one who is looking from inside, they are aware of the heart centre but they have put a stopper.

When we read or listen we may think that “Oh ego is different” and “that one is different” and “that one is different,” but they’re all so, so intimately connected and related.

Comment: it’s easier to stay committed in the presence of high energy

Sri Vasudeva: 
As you said, it’s easier to be committed and to stay in a better space when you are in a powerful energy field – whether it’s the Guru or it’s the group of people.

Can we tap into the Source while in activity?


Question:        
I found the Day one message very exciting.  I know it is possible to draw energy from the Source but is it possible to do this all the time, even when your mind is occupied other than in meditation?

Sri Vasudeva: 
Well that’s the idea, that meditation allows you to open the doorway to the Higher Self (to the Source within you), and when the door is opened, even when you’re doing ordinary things, you are able to channel more.  In meditation you open the doors so that you can channel more.  You’re opening up the inner doorways so that more light can manifest in and through you to your world.  That’s what meditation does.  It opens up the spaces within you and leaves that connection to channel more energy to your world.  In a very natural way, if you are engaged in thinking or whatever you’re engaged in doing, you’re bringing the connection of that infinite space with you in whatever you are doing and that’s highly powerful.  That’s what I would say:  In meditation you open up the space and you keep that connection as you go into the world and whatever you are focused on, you bring that energy of that space into what you are doing.  That’s the goal.

What are the different kinds of ego?


Comment:      
I heard you talking about multi-dimensionality of life and of self.  And the second part of Self – I didn’t know what to imagine by that.

Sri Vasudeva: 
The Higher Self within us or the Self within us, or our individuality (let’s say our individuality is self), that individuality is experienced in multi-dimensionality:  I have a physical self, I have an emotional self, I have a mental self, I have a spiritual self, I have a vital energy self. Or if you take the seven chakras, you can say each one of those is an aspect of the self – each one of those is a self.  If you connect with the Source, then you can say “I have a Cosmic Self.  I have a Universal Self.  I have a Higher Self.  I have a Larger Self.”  Everything, every aspect of our being is a self.

Summary of the key points


“We exist in the Source in every moment”…and it is one of the goals that is nice to have – the awareness of the existence of the Source in every moment.  But of course we’ll speak more about that.

 “The process of becoming aware of subtle energy” – that’s what I was hoping that we’d also discuss – the process of becoming aware:  the lack of awareness of subtle energy and the process of becoming aware of subtle energy, I wanted to stimulate that discussion.

 “To nurse the desire to experience the ultimate” that things don’t happen unless we nurse the desire.  And I guess all those who are looking and who are here with me, you have a desire for higher awareness but how strong the desire is will actually tell how much you will receive or how much you will open yourself to receive – because it’s always there.

I know it’s the first discussion group but I want to as much as we can to keep to the message because I’m building the message part by part and every message I give has enough information to really discuss on that particular day.

For example I think the Source is important to consider in everything you do because we are so disconnected from the Source.  I think the subtle energy field is something to be aware of in every interaction, in every reflection we should be aware:  “How is my subtle energy?”

The different states of being as categorized by the Kundalini theory, that we have different chakras through which we interact with the world and so it’s exciting to be able to understand seven dimensions of existence.

Dag 02 - 2009 discussiegroep

Discussion Group - dag 2 - Friday March 29, 2009

UNRAVELLING THE MYSTERY OF THE SOURCE


How do we deepen an experience when it comes?


Question:        
Everything is emerging from the Source so when we were singing, energetically something happened in me and I was looking at it: what happens with my voice and what it does with my body and how it rises.  I presume that the Source is behind that. What can I do to dive deeper in it?

Sri Vasudeva: 
There is only so much you can do.  You need to follow the experience.  You’re telling me that when you sing you’re beginning to observe the process – what is happening as you sing.  So follow the process deeper and deeper and it will take you to a certain place but it will only take you so much.  That’s where your consciousness level is.

If you want to go to a deeper level of consciousness (or it is said “higher” – higher and deeper means the same in this case) you need to open up the centres more, the energy body needs to be more activated.  That happens by discipline, by grace, by effort, by association, by commitment. But awakening the consciousness, moving the consciousness to another level to be able to see more is the goal.  It’s not an easy process.  At every stage you need to observe where you are in your consciousness, how much you can see.

Don’t frustrate yourself if you think you’re not seeing enough.  Try to allow it to unfold, like when you put a plant into the ground (a seed into the ground) don’t frustrate yourself; it’s not growing as much as it should every day.  Water it as much as you can, put fertilizer so that you can accelerate the growth but you have to sit back and watch and enjoy.  Don’t get frustrated that the fruits are not coming up yet.  That’s the process of trying to observe spiritual experiences.  You work at them but if they’re not coming up right away, you look for where blocks are or weaknesses are in your process, work at them again and whatever results you get, be satisfied.  That’s where you are, satisfied with the results but willing to go further to experience more.

Question:
What’s the difference between awareness and Guru awareness?

Sri Vasudeva: 
Awareness can be limited or can be greater.  For example if you walk into the room, your awareness may allow you to see only certain things in the room but if you open your awareness and think that “I want to see more things in this room,” then you may notice where the clocks are or that we have two clocks, you notice how many cupboards we have or you may notice a number a different things because you want to improve your awareness… but if you come in with a limited awareness, that you’re only looking to see how many people are in here, because that’s the kind of awareness that you have (just to see how many people are in here) then that’s all you will see.  So Guru awareness is a bigger awareness.

Question:        
Is it possible to broaden your awareness of the Source through the Guru?

Sri Vasudeva: 
When you say “through you” you know the body is not the Guru right? And you know this mind is not the Guru right? What is behind all of it…is also in you – so it’s really the Guru Principle.  The Guru Principle operating in a person is what the Guru is; the Guru quality operating in a person.

The reason you recognize what the Guru is saying is because the Guru in you is also being stimulated and that’s why you say “Oh I know that,” because the Guru in you is also remembering.  I don’t want you to think that, “this is the Guru”. Sri Vasudeva, this body is the Guru or the mind is the Guru… It’s much more than that.

You were asking if the Guru can help you?  What is happening in Sri Vasudeva is that the Higher Self has been given permission (as it were), the individual ego has surrendered so a greater power can act in and through this Sri Vasudeva.  So when this Sri Vasudeva is talking it is because this Sri Vasudeva is allowing the Source to use him to connect with the Universe and to serve the Unvierse.  So when this Sri Vasudeva is talking to you, the Source is being able to channel through a human being.   It’s also stimulating the Source in you to remember its presence.  It’s Source connecting with Source through someone who is a little more open to the Source.  That’s the difference.

The process by which gurus operate is they try to kindle the Guru in you, to wake up your light.  It’s not to give you something and say “take this,” – they’re trying to awaken something in you.

Question:        
Why can we feel the Source easily when we are without thoughts?  Why are thoughts so strong in keeping us away from the Source?

Sri Vasudeva: 
Thoughts pull us in limitation, in ideas.  Thought by very nature, pulls us into a certain limited idea.  So when you… if you are not established in that big space inside, then when a thought pulls you, based on your conditioning or based on what you have in your memory bank or based on the memory patterns you have within you, when a thought pulls you back into its limited space of course the Source will be gone.

The more established you are in the expansivity of the Source, even when a thought pulls you, you can actually even see the thought whilst you are still in expansivity –  it calls for being stable in that expansive state within.  That’s the goal.  When you’re not stable there, you can be pulled back into limitation.

Then you have to work at going back there [into the Source] and then you’re pulled there [into limitation]. You have to work at going back there [into the Source]… The time will come when you’re really disciplined and you’ve earned a lot of grace, then you will stay at the bigger space more and more and no thought can ever pull you into its limitation.  How’s that?

We need more clarity about what “God” is and isn’t


Comment:      
Today you spoke about understanding what the Source is.  There’s a lot of misinformation out there and a lot of misunderstanding so for me it was good for the clarity.

Sri Vasudeva:
The clarity that is required from the amount of misinterpretation and misunderstanding that we have about God.  And a lot of the talk this morning has been based about that under the idea that we’ve grown up with ideas about God and to be faced with NEW ideas… It can challenge the mind but it can also be exciting and it can also bring more awareness and perhaps greater experiences.  For me this is wonderful that we can experience God in a different way that moves us away from fear and reverence without true understanding.

Why do we need to start with the intellect to understand the Source?


Comment:      
Today’s talk was slightly confusing for me as there were a couple lines that I maybe misunderstood.  You said on the first page that “The more we understand what the Source is, the more we can keep our attention on the Source and later on the more we can channel the Source into our daily lives.”  The way I’ve always done it because the Source is such an abstract thing that we can describe – I haven’t really tried to understand it but more to focus on it and to experience it and by doing that I was hoping that I’d understand it more eventually.

Sri Vasudeva: 

That’s exactly what it’s saying.

The fact that the desire there is to understand is really pulling more attention to it.  If you begin to think about the Source; if you begin to think of any power greater than who we are, then it draws our attention; and then by drawing our attention, it draws our investigation…or it draws our interest, and ultimately that’s going to take us to a deeper experience or awareness of it, if we have the right guidance.

To take your word “abstract” yes the Source is abstract but the Source has given us so many things that it’s supporting.  When you look at this huge universe, this huge visible universe, it is telling us that something is holding this universe in its being.  So just observing the complexity of the universe, the power that is generated by the activity in the universe and by our understanding of let’s say more than physics and electron theory, that electrons they disappear and they come from another space, we are actually realizing that this whole universe is supported by some other power.  Even when we look at the visible, it draws our attention to the invisible.  “Where is this coming from?  What is the meaning of all of this?”  The visible can also draw our attention to the invisible.  Though it’s abstract in a way what it’s creating and supporting is certainly not abstract.

Comment:      
I find the Source very hard to focus on the and I try to chop it up into pieces and focus on the part I want to develop because the Source is so big that it’s really hard for me to develop because I don’t know what to focus on.

Sri Vasudeva: 
I like to say that if everything is supported by the Source, if every thought is supported by the Source, then I want to draw the Source in my powerful thoughts; in my disciplined thinking; in my projection of energy of thoughts…. I’m feeling more and more power as I focus on the thinking, as I focus on the brow, I’m feeling more and more power so I’m drawing the Source by connecting to this [brow].  If I’m running and I’m thinking I want more and more vitality here so Sri Vasudeva says, “Focus on the breathing.  Focus on the navel” so I’m doing it, “Wow, I’m feeling more power now.  I can go further,” so we’re drawing energy from the Source.  Again, we’re using the visible to take us into the invisible.

Anything that you focus on in the material world is connected to the Source – so singing is, working is, thinking is, loving is… through every activity that you are engaged in – because we are a multi-dimensional being as I spoke about yesterday, we can engage the Source in any and everything that we do.  The Source is that place where we can draw more power than the physical body can.

Question:        
How do we do that?

Sri Vasudeva: 
That’s what I’ve been teaching for so long… I’m saying in meditation begin to look deeper.  Don’t see with the normal eyes of human beings who see only the things around: the food here and the thinking here and the this there – and they don’t see more than that – who look out into the night sky and just see some lights there but they don’t see the presence of energy.  Learn to see more in everything you do.  How can some people leap so high?  How can some people sing so differently?  How can some people make exercise like dance?  What are they touching?

We need to look at those things; we need to see those things.  So when you see the existence of power and beauty and strength in the universe, you are actually beginning to see manifestations of the Source and then if you begin to tap into it – learn from the people who know…you will tap into it.

Good question, because it draws so much into expression.  The Source in you is asking that question and the Source in here is replying – so we are drawing the Source into conversation.

A deeper part of you could be seeking without you knowing it


Comment:      
The part of it that impacts on me the most is really “Who really is God?” and I know when I first came here, it was actually through a life challenge that brought me suffering. That brought the chain reaction, the desire for the awareness,

Sri Vasudeva: 
What you’re saying is that circumstances brought you into that place, not that you were directly seeking it.  That’s very interesting because when that happened, you were able to recognize it.  When the help came, you were able to recognize it.  That means that a deeper part of you somewhere would have been seeking that, without naming it.  “I wish I could be in a place of peace.  I wish I could be happier.  I wish I could get more out of this relationship.  I wish I could get more out of this job.  I wish there was more to life.  I wish I could really relate to my children really in a deeper way.  I wish I could relate to people in a deeper way.”  All these are aspirations to the Source.

Then when you meet the person, when you’re challenged and you actually meet the help that the Source is bringing you – you’ve actually drawn it towards you and then you recognize it immediately, “Oh my God.  This is what I need.  Tell me more.  Give me more.  I want to experience more” because that’s the interest that you have.

How can I give up the ego?


Question:        
How can I give up the ego?

Sri Vasudeva: 
You don’t want to give up the ego, right?  We have to keep this ego thing.  This is going to stay with us right through the journey. You want to make sure to purify the ego, that the ego takes itself into a higher place.  We are the ego but you can have a very pure ego, a very beautiful ego, a very spiritual ego or we could have a very selfish ego, very materialistic ego…so we need to transform the ego.  And you transform the ego by striving to think better thoughts, more loving thoughts, to keep more loving feelings…by associating with people who are more loving, better and in these simple ways you can begin to transform the ego through self-discipline; through association; through spiritual activities – you can actually begin to transform the ego from the lower ego to the Higher Ego.  Please don’t kill the ego.

Can I be with you during the Forty Days?


Question:        
For me the morning meditation was so powerful.   I felt this happiness hours after, and the people that interacted with me told me that my voice is different.  Is this possible?

Sri Vasudeva: 
Yes certainly it’s possible but what you are actually experiencing and manifesting is being very much in touch with what is happening here.  I’m amazed that you can be in Romania physically but you are actually here because those are the kinds of experience in this kind of energy space – so you are actually being able to be in touch with the energy space of this centre whilst you are there.  So you can see the subtle energy of the centre is expansive across the world.  It’s like waves of energy across the world, you can tune into immediately.  So I’m very very pleased.  Yes, what’s happening with you is possible and it can continue to happen right through the Forty Days.  You can be right here energetically even though your physical body is in Romania.

And this I am saying to all the people who are looking at me from all places in the world.  You can be right here energetically even though you are physically placed somewhere else.  That is a possibility.  And especially if you have been here before, it makes it easy for you to tune into that.  But it doesn’t necessarily mean if you have not been here before, or you haven’t been here before it’s going to be harder…you can also tune into that by giving attention to what you’re experiencing from the group, from the morning talks…you can actually begin, your soul will remember – you’ll begin to let these experiences come within you and pull your soul back into activation or into the experiences that your soul knew.

So if you find that you listen to these things and your soul begins to resonate, it is because your soul knew it before – so though you may not be physically here but your soul may have had similar kinds of experiences that this can bring into expression once again.

Is the Source energy the same when we’re embodied vs. when transitioned?


Question:        
“Guruji, you wrote the Source from which everything emerges and into which everything merges, we can feel the wonderful energy of the Source during meditation.  Do you think that we feel the same wonderful energy when we die, because it is one Source?”

Sri Vasudeva: 

You don’t die.  None of us are going to die.  The body drops off.  We don’t die.  We’ll never die.  The body drops off.  The light shifts to another dimension but we don’t die.  So we can continue to experience the Source all the time. When you take off a suit of clothes, you’re not changed.  The experience might be different because now the clothes has been gone but YOU essentially have not changed.  It’s the same.

Okay…anybody?  Yes you’re taking time to absorb the energy or the new ideas?  What happens is that the mind tends not to want to work when it begins to feel a very strong dose of the energy.  It begins to become quiet and the discussion takes a new level.  It takes a level where no one wants to speak but everyone wants to stay in that inner space.  It’s a different kind of discussion.

Why is there duality and why should we choose the good?


Question:        
So the Source creates the good…the mind classifies the good, the bad and the ugly but the Source is creating everything and yet we are trying to understand the Source.  What my mind is trying to understand is that what’s the point in trying to be good if the Source is also good and bad at the same time?

Sri Vasudeva: 
Right, so that’s a good question, which has two parts. The first is that the Source has created everything – the good, the bad and everything.  And that allows us to see the world without seeing that there is some demon somewhere that creates what is bad.  It allows us to see that whatever the Creator is, it has put all these experiences in the world for us.  Now, by virtue of this dimension, we need high and low, night and day, light and darkness, death and health, we have a polar world (north pole, south pole) so when we have good what will we have?  [response is “bad”] Right.  So that’s the balance of the dual world.  They both have different experiences, that’s why people gravitate to them.  But the choice is always there for us.

The choice is always ours to experience what we want to.  That’s what we have.  We have the power of choice.  So the universe is saying “I have created all of this,” because that’s how the dimension is.  I need to move from low vibrations to high vibrations.  So we have the whole multitude of vibrations that create our world.  So I can choose to go into a world of low vibration or a place of high vibration.  It’s created there for the sake of the dimension.

Now, in ignorance we choose some of the lower things because they seem attractive and as we become a little wiser, we tend to go across the band and choose the higher things.  And ultimately we go to a place that is free from all of these, that we are able to watch the band and feel the freedom – even to be able to go wherever we want to, if we need to, without feeling that we are caught up in that or we are limited to that.  So that’s where it is.

The experience of the Source is a transcendental experience beyond the good and bad and the ugly and everything else.  It’s not a selective experience, to become more spiritual, or to become more enlightened or to become freer is not to choose the good – it is to go beyond good.  But the good lead[s] us to go beyond good.  You have to step from the bad to the good and then to beyond bad and good.  That’s a steppingstone.   You can’t go from the bad immediately… that’s the evolution process.  Interesting isn’t it?

The Source is not to be blamed in any way.  It has created the multiplicity of experiences but it gives us the choice, which makes life exciting.

Liberating thoughts about the Source


So it has been a wonderful discussion and I said I’ll give a few days to this subject because it’s extremely exciting.  For me, what is exciting about this is that all the conditioning we have had that could be cleared up and allow us a more empowering view of the Universe or of the Source.   The fact that there is no demon out in the universe to get us – and if we choose the demonic way, we are choosing the way of lower energy and that’s not a really comfortable place to be.  And if we begin to change our ways and go to a place of higher, then we are able to create more balance and we have less destruction around us so we have the opportunity to move into a better place but not to think that there is some demon in the universe that is tying to destroy us, or not that there is some judge out there.

The Source is already supporting us and it is there for us.  If we begin to go within and search for it, the journey becomes easier and easier.  All we need to do is to keep and steady focus on wanting to go there, and using every opportunity that comes to us to assist us in getting there.  And the truth is, when you create a desire to go there, a lot of things happen to support us on that journey.

How has your concept of God changed?


Let’s talk for a moment on…ideas about God.  How have your ideas changed…?  Because we are so challenged by religion, growing up in certain religions, we are taught that God is a God to be feared, God is a God who will judge us and there is a demon out there that is after us… I’m always very interested in seeing how people’s ideas[change], especially when they have been conditioned in so powerful a way…

Comment:      
I grew up in a family that really didn’t push religion on me.  I was given a choice to make my own decisions but I remember going to Sunday school as a child, hearing stories from the Bible and not really buying into these stories that these adults were claiming to be true so I decided that I didn’t want to continue and I wasn’t pressured to do that.  And then I got to my point in my late teens and early twenties when I considered myself sort of atheist/agnostic because I was just disillusioned with the whole “God” idea but then I remember I read a book in my early twenties and I don’t remember what it was but it talked about “God is inside of us” and something clicked and ever since then that felt true to me.  And so that sort of led me on the path that I’m on now

Sri Vasudeva: 
Very nice … At least you were able to rise beyond.  And the fact that you were given the choice earlier on is something nice because sometimes religion can be pushed on us and we are forced to believe.

Comment:      
Before I learned to know you I was always wondering, “What’s God?  What does it mean?”  I didn’t have any conception [of God] I had questions but I couldn’t make contact.  I couldn’t make relation.

Sri Vasudeva: 
But you didn’t accept any of the ideas that you were given. It didn’t resonate with you.

Comment:      
Resonate, that’s it… now I understand what God is.  I think it’s a feeling inside I felt such more than happiness and I could see God shining through you and also very important was that I could see God in everyone and in the whole nature. Well now I had a real understanding of what God is, not before that.

Sri Vasudeva: 
That’s beautiful.

Comment:      
Today’s talk made me contemplate about how the Source is always there with me and guiding and protecting me always.

Sri Vasudeva: 
Very nice – I’m happy to hear that and thanks for joining us.

Comment:      
“I was very inspired by the talk today and recognize the worldly perception of God,” and he says he cried with relief.

Comment:     
“In my youth God was just a name, something, somewhere but after Shaktipat and opening my eyebrow chakra, God is something wonderful for me, more than wonderful, a warm feeling, rest…I cannot name it.  It is amazing, beautiful feeling.

Sri Vasudeva: 
Thank you for sharing that.

Concluding remarks


Okay so it’s been a beautiful session.  I’m always excited.  I wish that you’ll engage me more and more but we had quite a bit of engagement today and quite a bit of excitement and clarification and recognition of the Source and I’m really happy about that.  For me, my whole life has changed and my early experience of the Source has been that of energy.  I could feel energy flowing out of me – as love, as vitality, ultimately more power in my mind and just being able to tap more energy inside and just being able to feel that there is some energy source supporting me during all my activities – that has been phenomenal.  So that is how I first began to identify the Source at the age of twenty-one in India.

And just to say during the Forty Days of 1978, I’ve been thinking today (I always reflect on that beautiful period) and every time I go through these Forty Days, the days are so blissful.  Yesterday I had to go outside of the ashram but just being here, not having to go anywhere and to be absorbed in the energy of the Forty Days is beautiful.  But of course when you have to…when you can’t stay in a contained space, you can carry this with you if you carry the thoughts with you and you carry the feelings with you.

During these Forty Days I could actually feel all this energy and support like it was for me in 1978.  In 1978 I had a few books with me and I had a few directions given to me from that Power inside and as I worked with it, every day I could see things clearer and clearer and the experiences just got deeper and deeper and deeper.  It was just phenomenal.  And I can feel it, every time we come into the Forty Days, as I craft these talks, as I engage in discussion with you, as we come into meditation – I can feel this wonderful exciting UNFOLDING consciousness and I say “Wow what Grace!”

And the Forty Day period is a period of Grace and it’s always exciting for me to bring all of us together, not just in the context of the Trinidad and Tobago Centre but in a global context.  That makes me feel very happy and for a year now we’ve been using this technology to stream.  And it’s wonderful to see the participation and the excitement across the world through these Forty Days.  So thank you very much everyone.  I’m so excited, so pleased and I look forward to tomorrow.

Dag 03 - 2009 discussiegroep

DAY 3 - Discussion Group - Saturday March 28, 2009

SOURCE OF BEING

Question:     
Where does the Source come from?  

Sri Vasudeva: 
Does it have to come from somewhere?  Can it just exist?  Why do things have to have a beginning and an end?  In a universe of all possibilities, why can’t we have something that has no beginning and no end?  It’s one of the many possibilities that we have.

Question:    
You talk about how there is a Universal Being that supports the whole universe and there’s an Individual Being that supports the individual.  Is the Universal Being the same as the Universal Guru and the Individual Being the same as the Inner Guru?
  
Sri Vasudeva:
What does ‘Guru’ mean?
 
Reply:          
It’s the universal teacher.

Sri Vasudeva:  
Where does the Universal Teacher come from?   It must come from a source.  The Source is able to create everything and by virtue of that, the Source can have many roles.  Do you think the Universal Teacher can be one of the roles of the all powerful Source?  And if there is being within us as it is in the whole universe then there must be a teacher within us.  The being from inside of us can take the role of teacher.  It’s another aspect of the source. 

Question:      
Do animal and plant life have consciousness?

Sri Vasudeva:    
Consciousness is a quality that allows something to be aware.  I’m sure that a dog or a cat or an elephant, all have a certain degree of self awareness.  If something is happening to them emotionally, they are caught up in the experience of it, so they must be in a state of sadness.  There must be an experience of what they are having so their consciousness inside must be involved in a certain experience.  When we see animals do a complicated task then we know that they are processing, they are reflecting.  If a dog can accomplish a feat, then the dog has to have some sort of consciousness to do that.  And if a plant knows how to trap an animal – the bud opens to trap insects - then it must know when an animal is coming.  It must have some kind of consciousness to be aware that what it is looking for, is around.  That’s a kind of awareness - consciousness.  So anything that can perceive something and act upon it or react to it - means they are conscious of whatever is in their space.  And they are responding to whatever is in their space.  And if they can respond in an even more involved way by having a sequence of responses, then it means then there is some kind of intelligence there and of course, some kind of consciousness.

The level of consciousness in the human being is much greater that what we see in animals and plants.  In one of my slides I show an animal cell making a decision when it’s at a junction.  It goes this way and then says, ‘No I don’t want to go this way, maybe I need to go that way.’  It tests the boundaries and decides to choose one. That requires a certain kind of consciousness.  It shows that there is some kind of consciousness in the universe manifesting in plants, in animals, in human beings and in life.  But the human consciousness, of course, is a very special one because we’re able to do so much more with the consciousness tools that we have.  And by consciousness tools, I mean the mind and inner senses.  And human beings are aware that they are conscious and that makes it a little deeper than with animals.
  
Question:      
So there is visible and invisible energy also (with animals)?

Sri Vasudeva:
There must be. Animals respond to love without speaking.  Dogs respond to your fear without you saying anything.  Animals can sense your energy.  So there must be some kind of invisible thing within them.  Animals are able to sense the environment and they can sense subtle things before they happen so it must mean they also have this deeper sense.  That’s the invisible part of us.  So the universe is showing that it exists.  If plants are around wonderful energies, they seem to grow better.  If they are around soothing music or if you extend love to plants they seem to grow better.  So they are responding to subtle energies.  And so there must be a subtle energy body in the plant that is being impacted upon.

Comment:   
I would like to thank you for the morning talk.  It wasn’t just what you said that made an impact on me but the way you said it.  I watched how passionately you were speaking and it made me realize that it isn’t what you say or what I say that makes an impact on people but the way you say it and the connection you make with your audience, how important that is to really make sure that the message will come across

Sri Vasudeva:
Well it’s a little more than that.  It’s not just using the tools of communication which is how I look at the audience or how passionate I am.  It is because I live from where I speak or I live what I speak and that’s   makes a difference.   That’s where the excitement is because I am actually seeing what I’m telling you.  I’m actually feeling what I’m telling you.  So that’s what you are recognizing.  That brings about a passion and vitality and everything else. 

Question:   
You say if we really want to understand the universe we need to go inside and understand ourselves.  Does it mean that understanding the universe is the ultimate goal?

Sri Vasudeva:  
Understanding yourself is the ultimate goal because you will find the universe inside of you. If going inside of you, you begin to understand the universe, it means at the very core of your being you are connected to the whole universe.  So by going right within you, you’ll understand everything.  And that’s the beautiful secret.  So your self is the doorway to the whole universe – your Self.

Question:     
You said that the individual being is a model of the universe.  So the universe also has the structure of the chakras as energy levels.  So when I focus on one of my chakras, am I connecting with that level in the universe?

Sri Vasudeva:
Yes, you are connecting with that level of the universe but not as you think. Each chakra is associated with a certain level or plane of consciousness that exists in the universe and that is called a ‘loka.’  So every chakra we have, is connected to a whole plane or level in the entire universe.  So we are, in that way, a model of the whole universe.  So yes, the universe has these different levels that we have within us.

Question:        
In choosing the journey to the higher self, I feel more out of balance, more emotion, more physical fatigue and less mental alertness.  What is happening?

Sri Vasudeva:
(Laughs) By going inside, you become stronger.  In fact your strength is really coming from the inside, but you think it is from the outside.   So your strength is really coming from inside of you.   The strength of mind comes from inside of you.  The strength of love comes from inside of you.  When you are meditating or you are singing, you are really going inside.  It’s a journey inside.  It’s not a journey outside, it’s a journey inside.  When you go inside, you are actually touching a greater place of strength.  So what do you mean when you say you feel weaker?  Maybe there is some kind of misconception or fear, or maybe there is some kind of misinterpretation that is creating that sort of weakness.  But the truth is, it is the inner being that makes you more powerful.  It is by going inside that you become more powerful.  Meditation makes us powerful, chanting makes us powerful, touching that inner space makes us more powerful, and as we go deeper and deeper inside we become more and more powerful.  Over the years you have been going deeper inside.  You have been touching deeper spaces inside of you. And that is why you’re becoming more powerful, because you are touching more and more of the Source.   But tell me more, ask me more.    

Question:     
Is surrendering helping me to identify more with the Source?

Sri Vasudeva:
It is.  Surrendering is a wonderful quality in terms of allowing the Source to manifest inside of you.  When you surrender, when you let go of the mind, let go of the other thoughts that distract you, the Higher Self is able to manifest in a better way.

Question:    
How can I make my quality of surrendering more powerful?

Sri Vasudeva:
That’s something you need to contemplate.  The whole environment here is based on that – learning how to give attention to the higher Self within us and in others and to let that predominate, rather than what we want to prevail.

Question:     
I find it beautiful to realize that the outer senses see differences but you say at the core there are no more differences.  What is it like on the way to the core?  Is the difference slowly fading away?

Sri Vasudeva:  
Yes, it slowly fades away.  You go deeper and deeper and feel more in harmony with your universe and there are less differences.  As you go deeper and deeper inside, there are less thoughts, less movement – you become more and more quiet and focused and you see less differences.  The mind and heart and become quieter and then you begin to feel more of your higher Self.  And when you look outside, that’s what you begin to see also.  You begin to see the higher Self in people.  And so the differences at the physical and mental level begin to disappear.  They are no longer so important because you are feeling the higher level inside in terms of goodness, of peace, of love and you begin to recognize it in other people too.  Because you didn’t have it in you before, you couldn’t recognize it on the outside.  You see many differences based on your interpretation of the outside.  But as you come into a quieter place, a more loving place, a more peaceful place, then you begin to see it on the outside.  That is the difference.
 
Sri Vasudeva:
In the message, I tried to relate Source to the idea of being.  The Source is not something separate, even though we may speak about it (in that way).  It is a place where we go to, to feel our higher Self.  I spoke about Atma and Paramatma.  The Atma is the individual and Paramatma is the larger.  If you want to understand what the larger is, you just need to go deeper inside and feel that more expansive level of being.  We can go inside to feel the higher Self. 

You may have already heard of some of these ideas but I am trying to get you, in a personal sense, to identify with it through your experiences.  I want your experiences to speak to you so that you can identify certain things that I am saying.

Question:   
I was very interested when you spoke of the boundless energy of the Source.  Since we need sleep, I realized I was very tired.  In the meditation this morning, I felt plugged into a different type of energy and I felt totally revived.  It actually felt like I got a new boost and that was quite awesome.  Can we do that more often?  Is that something we can judge in our bodies and say, “Now, my body is tired, but I can use this extra energy so I can tap into the Source,” versus knowing when to give in?

Sri Vasudeva:
We can do that too.  We can revitalize the body using the energy from inside but the body needs it due as well.  The body needs its time to rest and recuperate when it can shut down.  So sometimes, when you are trying to stay awake but your body is so tired and the cells need to regenerate, the body will shut you down because it needs to do that.  So you need to be aware of when the body needs to shut down and when it needs to be replenished.  And if you’re sensitive and you can feel that and you do it in the right time and in the right way, you’ll feel the body very refreshed and revived.  When we take a power nap, for example, it’s really understanding what the body needs and giving it its needs.  Not eating before power naps so that we don’t interfere with the sleep, sleeping in another space rather than on the bed -   in doing these things, we allow the body to rest for the time it needs without being influenced by too much food or other things that will pull it into sluggishness.

Question:     
Does that mean that the ultimate Brahman goes to sleep and that the universe also has time when it goes to sleep and then it comes out?

Sri Vasudeva:  
Yes, the universe has its own pattern of rest and restoration.

Comment:   
In my meditation experience so far I always have the feeling that I am falling asleep and then suddenly, when you say something, I’ll be back here.  I want to experience all these things they are talking about but nothing is happening – only my feeling that I’ve just been sleeping and not doing anything.  So I wonder what is coming up in the days ahead.

Sri Vasudeva:  
That’s OK, just allow it to happen.  You’re here just a couple days now.  From what    I’m seeing, you’re looking better everyday.

Question:    
Is ‘being-ness’ the same as ‘turiya?’

Sri Vasudeva:
‘Turiya’ is a transcendental state, it is a state of pure being.  But the ‘turiya’ in particular is a state of the witness that is able to be stable through the different states of consciousness.  It is called ‘turiya teeta’ which means the ‘stable turiya’ where the witness is able to stay through the different states of consciousness – whether waking or sleeping or deep sleeping, the witness stays there.  It’s said to be the ecstatic or the rapturous witness.  So that is the fourth state.  The fourth state is the one that is established in pure being and stable in that state of pure being.  But these are only names.  The idea is going into the purest state of being in the human experience.

Question:    
In the universe there are invisible reactions. What is the effect of the state of the whole humanity on the universe? Are there invisible reactions on the rest of the universe?  

Sri Vasudeva:  
Yes and the rest of the universe is also reacting upon us.  So it’s not that we are the only powerful beings reacting in the universe.  The energy of the sun is influencing us.  The energy of every planet is influencing us. The energy of the earth, the energy of the sea, of the trees, of different things in nature, are all influencing us.  And we are also influencing.  And the stronger influences dominate.   And the influence of a mass of people coming together and thinking the same thing and resonating with the same energy and the same vision - they are an influencing power.  And the stronger powers predominate.

So if there is more negative power in a group, that is going to influence the community.  And if you have more positive energies in a community, that’s going to influence the community too in a stronger way.   The stronger energies, invisible energies - they are what predominate in the universe.  So if there are other civilizations in the universe and they are sending out energies too, then their energies are also in the mix.  So it’s not that we are the only ones and we are sending out all these powerful energies into the universe.  Everything is energy and there are a lot of energies in the mix from everywhere.  So when we come together, here for example, we are co-creating a field – when we sing for example -  that’s why the field around us becomes so powerful because we are creating that field with us.  And if everyone on earth decided to have the same kind of vision for love, peace and harmony, then we become a stronger force as a planet.

Comment:   
The last few months, I have been struggling because I had the feeling that I didn’t get the whole universe, that I didn’t get the point of studying and working and I found myself questioning what’s the point of this whole life?  When I heard your talk this morning and after talking to you yesterday, I realised that when you go inside, you will get a universe also.  So that gave me a kind of comfort and faith that when I just go inside, I will get the universe in the end, I hope, so that I can do everything again with joy in my heart.  I have to finish my study and I do it because I have to but I would like to do it with more joy so I think the thing I have to do now is go inside and then go back in the world.

Sri Vasudeva:   
Absolutely!  I completely agree with that.  I couldn’t agree more.  By going inside you get everything that you are looking for.  That can make you more powerful.  The most powerful people are those who have touched the power inside.

Comment:   
I find it difficult to see the difference between a surrounding being negative or that the source is teaching me something.  You said that the people and the places around you shouldn’t be negative….

Sri Vasudeva:
I didn’t say it shouldn’t be negative.  We have to accept when it is negative but if we had a choice, we wouldn’t like it to be negative.  I wouldn’t like the place around me to be negative.  But I wouldn’t deny or not accept it if it is.  I would want to work with it and transform it.  So when we find our surrounding negative, the first thing we have to do is to accept that it is like that.  And then we have to think of how to transform it.   So it’s not that I don’t want things to be negative.  I’m hoping that things can be positive but if things are negative then I look for the lesson in it and I try to overcome it - not leave it but try to overcome it.  Because you wouldn’t like to see a threatening surrounding around you and not try to transform it. You would want to change it.  Right?  So that’s what I mean.

Comment:  
I think the most impactful thing so far is the meditation – learning to meditate at the fullest.
Vasudeva:   I find the meditation during this period to really be very special.  The moment I begin the mediation, I can feel that almost everybody is in a very nice space. That’s why I say it’s a period of grace - that everything is easier during this period.

Question:     
I’m having different experiences when you do the Guru Gita and when you do the guided meditation.  The guided meditation is always very powerful and I’m experiencing so many things inside of me.   But at midday meditation, I am fighting to stay awake, sometimes.  Even sometimes after the Shiva Mahimnah, it’s more difficult than in the morning after the Guru Gita.  So I find myself contemplating is it because in the morning it’s a guided meditation or..?

Sri Vasudeva:
You are new to this schedule so during the day it’s hotter and the midday meditation is not guided and you have to work by yourself.  And you have been working outside already, so if you were carrying the practice in your seva, repeating the mantra, it becomes easier here.  So you have to begin the preparation whilst you’re doing things outside, telling yourself, ‘When I come to sit for meditation, it’s going to be nice.  I’m going to make it nice.’  But I’ll give you a few hints.  During the noon meditation, if you were to use the breath – learn how to use the breathing in a   powerful way. 

There are some breathing exercises that I do before the meditation.  So if you learn those, it will improve the meditation.  And when you come at noon, begin to use that.  If you feel any sensation at the eyebrow chakra, that’s a good thing.  Focus on the breath and focus on the eyebrow chakra and  allow the eyebrow chakra to predominate, then your meditation will be better. But you have to make sure your body is revitalized before you come to the meditation.
 
Comment:  
During the seva we are talking a lot - discussing the topic and at the same time   painting the fences and the roof - and when you come here it’s difficult to change the mood.

Sri Vasudeva:      
The last hour before you come here begin to change how you are doing things. Become quieter, more reflective and begin to prepare for coming here.

Question:  
In a situation where there is a lot of negativity or challenges facing you – in my case, the workplace with students - how do I change this without help?

Sri Vasudeva:
Well first, it requires you to be self disciplined and to have the power of meditation or to be in a state of inner power or control or centeredness.  The more you are centered, the more you will be able to change a group around you.  Doing your homework to be centered is an important thing.  When you are more centered even the way you speak will be impactful.  And then look at different points in the day when you can get the students to actually use some of the principles of meditation without disturbing the rest of the school environment or others thinking that you are doing something unusual.  You can begin to do little things with them, like the art of concentration, the art of positive thinking, the use of mantra, what pranayama means – so you can use little techniques with them and get them excited about it and soon enough you will find them under control.

dag 04 - 2009 discussiegroep

DAY 4 - Discussion Group - Sunday March 29, 2009

ENERGY AWARENESS & MASTERY

Comment:    
It is so exciting to realise that my personal chakras connect with the same universal chakras with its infinite energy, and into which I can actively tap.

Sri Vasudeva:      
Yes, I’m extremely happy about that idea – that we can connect with different dimensions of existence in our universe, simply through the doorway of the chakras.  That’s absolutely fantastic!  When we become more aware of that we will see that we are in touch with the whole universe, all dimensions, right from where we are.
 
Question:        
How do we perceive the ultimate field, the Source, if it’s beyond all subtle and gross manifestations?

Sri Vasudeva:      
You can’t perceive the Source.  You merge into it.  If a drop merges into the ocean, will it ever be able to perceive the ocean?  It has lost its identity.  It has become the ocean so there is no difference.  There is nothing else for it to perceive.  But the joy of the drop merging in the ocean is that it is so happy to lose its boundaries because it is losing limitations.  It’s so happy to go into a field where it’s going to be complete.  So this is where the joy is in the merging.  The joy is in moving away from a boundary that always seems to be holding you.  There is something inside of you that is saying, “I want to be free of this trap!  I want to be free of this trap!”  And suddenly the trap door opens and you are free.  There is no more you because you went into a place where you disappeared. 

In that freedom, there is no ‘you’ to say, “Oh, I like this - this is freedom.” The freedom is actually losing the confines, the boundaries, the limitations – losing it and the moment you lose it there’s a sweet feeling of disappearing.  Now, you have a little taste of that when you go into a deep sleep.  You lose all sense of you. But you wake up feeling so nice.  You have lost you but you have gained something so nice.  That’s only a little shadow of what it is.  It’s something to contemplate.  It’s not something for you to perceive and say, “Well now I can feel the unmanifest and there is no form there and there is no time there.”  But who is perceiving?  Somebody who is in time and who is in form?  Well in this domain there is no time and no form.  So you’re going to have to shed that and when you shed that, there is no one to say, “Oh, this is nice.”  But it becomes the niceness.  That’s where I am going to go.  That’s where all of us are going to go.  Right now I can enjoy freedom in a body but ultimately, this being who is enjoying freedom in a body, will be tired of this one day.  When I’ve covered all my roles and done all my duties, I wouldn’t want this anymore.  I’ve done all of it.  So I would want to move away from these confines and that’s where the ultimate freedom is. 

Question:        
The distinction you are drawing between perception and awareness is fascinating.  I love that distinction which I have not heard before - perception is of the mind while awareness can be beyond the mind - is that so?

Sri Vasudeva:      
Yes, I would say that that is so because in perceiving you are using the tools of the mind and in the awareness, the mind doesn’t necessarily have to be there, actively.

Question:        
During singing at satsang, when there is only one voice left, the singing experience is like emerging.  Is this a moment of ego in deep rest?

Sri Vasudeva:      
If you feel that the singing experience is like emerging, you can say the ego is experiencing effortlessness where its connection with the Source is so strong that it’s being carried by the Source and so it experiences the effortlessness in the action.

Question:         
Does the only means for evolution of an entity, lie in the physical world?

Sri Vasudeva:      
Those who have unfinished desire on this plane, will want to come back.  But not everyone needs to return here to evolve.  In my opinion, evolution can take place in the higher dimensions as well.  But those who are still caught up in this realm and leave with unfinished desires or unfulfilled desires, are the ones who will come back to this realm.

Question:        
Is merging into the Source so difficult because of how difficult it is to switch off the mind?
 
Sri Vasudeva:      
Merging into the Source is not an action of the mind.  It’s a combination of effort and grace.  If you say, “I am going to merge in the Source now.  I’m dropping my mind and I’m waiting to merge,” that is not going to happen. You are not going to merge.  Merging has to be when you’ve brought yourself to a certain level where your desires are completed in a way.  You have fulfilled all the things that you want to fulfill.  You have lifted your energy through the chakras and you have come into a place where the next step is to merge.  So if you haven’t done that and you have just quieted the mind for a few moments, that doesn’t mean you are going to merge.  That merging that I speak about is the final step if you want to merge into the unmanifest.  That’s the step that I have to make at some point.  So right now, we need to think of how to clean the space and how to experience higher levels of consciousness, how to bring the Source more and more into expression, how to clear up all the levels that we have – emotional, physical, mental and bring the Source more into expression.  And ultimately, when we have completed that, then the final mergence will come.

So getting rid of the busy mind is an act of discipline, commitment and hard work.  Going against the conditioning that we have (been accustomed to.)

Question:       
During meditation, I feel a lot of energies but when I concentrate, somewhere seems to block.  I feel a lot of space and myself floating on waves but the mind starts thinking, “What comes next?” and then I am out of it.

Sri Vasudeva:    
So the task is to deal with the mind.  Next time it happens, try not to think of what’s next.  Begin by telling yourself that now, “Next time this is happening, I’m not going to ask anything.  I’m going to try to be quiet and look.”  That’s how you do it.

Question:        
I always feel all my chakras during meditation.  But what is the connection between opening your chakras and going in the Source?

Sri Vasudeva:      
The Source is behind the chakras.  Chakras exist in the Source.  In the same way that the light bulb is being supported by the electricity - no electricity, no light;  electricity - light; more electricity - brighter the light.  So it is the same with the chakras.  The chakras only exist because the Source is there behind them.  The chakras are doorways like lights,  that shine with the energy of the Source.  So for the chakras to really open up brightly and to shine, they need to bring more power from the Source.  We are the ones who are in charge of that.  We are in charge of trying to get the chakras more open so that the Source from deep inside of us, can manifest more.
 
Question:        
Why is then that I always feel my chakras but I can’t really go deep within?

Sri Vasudeva:      
Because they need cleaning. If you put many cloth covers over a light bulb, then the light doesn’t shine properly.  So you have to take off layer by layer of the cloth and the light will shine brighter.  You have to see what other things are inside that are holding back these chakras from opening up fully.  And there are.  There are different patterns of all kinds – mental patterns, emotional patterns, vitality patterns.  They are all a little like bandages that cover the light of the chakras.

Question:        
You said the source supports everything that is created.  How can we listen in a better way, to the support of the source, to creations which are made, in every day life?
 
Sri Vasudeva:      
By listening to others because they are all creations.  Everything is existing in the have to realize that seemingly have to seeSource.  Everybody is existing in the Source.  So if you want to listen to the support that the Source is giving you, you just need to listen to anybody who is giving you a good idea, including the ones that come up from within you.  Everybody is coming from the Source.  That’s how I see life everyday.  Everybody is my Source speaking to me.  My Source is speaking to me through all of life.  So my Source is continuously communicating with me through everyone and everything including inside of me.  So by listening to all of them, I’m listening to the Source.  That’s where I get my support.

Question:        
The idea that there is no imperfection, is interesting to contemplate since we see so many seemingly negative things happening around us.  Is it that we have to realize that seemingly negative things are also perfect? 

Sri Vasudeva:      
Here we are using the words ‘perfect’ and ‘imperfect.’  Everything that we see is in the nature of life.  The things that are destructive and disharmony and the things that are constructive and uplifting – all these things are the natural flow of life.  When we make a choice to go along a certain avenue or on a certain path, then we are going to experience the nature of that path.  So all is given by the universe from the lowest to the highest, from the small to the big, from the bottom to the top, everything exists in our universe in complete variety, from one extreme to the other.  And we are given free choice to choose any of these things and as we choose, so we experience.  That’s how our universe is. It builds and it destroys.  That’s the nature of the universe.  It is born and it dies.  There is health and there is disease.  So it’s a matter of choice.  We have a body and it has to grow old.  We have a choice to try to keep it healthy so it could be free of disease by the things we eat, the choices we make, whether we live in a polluted place or a clean place.  So all these are choices that we make so in that way we see neither good not bad, neither imperfection or perfection and we see things as they are.  So the imperfect, the perfect, the good, the bad, they are all in duality and they all coexist in this dimension.  So the way of the wise is seeing neither but is being able to see it all as the play of life.  It’s all the nature of life.

Question:        
We have invisible perfection, but visible imperfection.  Does recognition of this separateness help us or hurt us?

Sri Vasudeva:      
You are saying that the invisible is perfect.  Well the Source is perfect because it has created everything.  So if you are to use the word ‘perfect’ by all means it’s perfect.  And whatever it has created that has the imperfection was its perfect way of creating as well.  So this whole idea of perfect and imperfect is really a play.  It’s all the nature of life.  The perfect creates that which seems to be imperfect.  The perfect creates in a perfect way the imperfect.  So don’t get caught in that.  We have to accept the visible world as it is.  We may say it’s imperfect but that’s how it is.  We can also say it’s perfectly imperfect.  It’s a whole story depending on where you are looking from.  When you look through the eyes of the wise, they say that that which is imperfect, is perfectly happening because the perfect is creating all of this – the imperfect and the perfect.

I think we should try to get away from the idea of perfect and imperfect.  I think that the Source is creating as it will and that all that is there, is a creation of Itself.   And we have to accept it as it is.  It will be as it will be.   But the joy for us is going into a place where the differences of imperfect and perfect really do not matter.  We can be free of all of that, accepting everything for what it is.  That’s where I feel the freedom is - accepting everything for where it is.  Life is there, death is there, so we accept it.  Darkness is there, light is there, so we accept it.  We work hard, we do things, it is taken away and we accept it.  But we get the joy in working hard and when it goes, we get the joy in saying, “OK, if it has to go, it has to go.  I’ll do more.”  So when we are in the right place, we accept it for what it is and there is a joy in just doing.
  
Comment:     
Your explanation does bring peace and understanding.  I feel that if I thought myself  visibly perfect, I would not want to be better.

Question:       
I am very eager to do some cleaning but feel somewhat overwhelmed because there is much cleaning to do.  How can I stay more focused?

Sri Vasudeva:      
There will always be much cleaning to do on the journey.  One step at a time.  Clean what is before you.  Don’t get caught up in how much is to be cleaned.  Just clean what is before you everyday and enjoy that.  How is that?  Can you work with that? One step at a time, one day at a time, one action at a time, one moment at a time. Can you accept that?  That’s what I do everyday.

***
In reading back today’s message, there are many things in here and I would love to hear your thoughts, comments or questions on the message itself.   What I am attempting to do is bring more information about the Source.  All the things that I observe, experience, understand and contemplate, are the things I’m sharing with you.  So that’s a big excitement for me.  Because in this period, I have 40 days to speak about the energy field, I feel very, very pleased that I’m taking one step at a time and I’m trying to share with you, all the things that I perceive and contemplate.

Question:        
In the real world or rather the ‘thought world,’ most activities or actions are driven by a thought.  The cause of an activity is a thought.  In the Source, in absence of thoughts, can anything prompt action?

Sri Vasudeva:      
Yes, they can rise by the sheer force with which they went into the Source.  If you had some great desire to do something and that great desire is in the Source, whenever your mind becomes quiet, it tends to push back - that desire is just beneath.  It’s in the Source.  For example, if yesterday, you were thinking about doing something today, and you kept that strong thought in the Source, in the causal area - you kept that thought very strongly, then if you are quiet sometime today, it may just surface into your memory because it’s a very strong thing and it’s associated with some thing you wanted to do in the future.  So there is a lot of energy in that to want to be active.  So even though it’s in the causal body, it has a lot of power to want to come into fruition.  And you see that.  A lot of things that you forget seem to come up inside in quiet moments or they could be spurred by something that is outside.
 
Question:        
So even if the mind is totally thoughtless, anything in the environment could actually prompt….

Sri Vasudeva:      
… in the environment can prompt it or sometimes it can just come up from inside a quiet mind.

Question:        
You said we have to make a journey through the subtle world and what’s outside us is also inside us.  So when you speak about a journey to the subtle worlds outside us, does that also means perhaps inside us? 

Sri Vasudeva:      
Did I say journey outside in the subtle world?   (Re-reading excerpt) “Ultimately we need to fulfill the purpose of the journey through the subtle worlds and also through the physical worlds.”  Here, “through the subtle world” means when we leave the physical world.  When we leave the physical world, we still have work to do in the subtle world and then we may have to come back like those people who leave the body.  They are still being counseled or guided in the subtle world until they come back.  And then we have to move within the subtle worlds.  Also the journey is in the physical world.  Ultimately we need to fulfill all the journeys - physical world and subtle worlds.   You were asking…?

Question:        
I was asking if there is also a journey inside in the subtle energy …

Sri Vasudeva:      
When we are working on chakras, we are working inside.  That’s why you’re meditating.  So when you are mastering the energies, you are going through the subtle world.  And when you become active in the physical world, you can manifest and your subtle worlds are more open.  Your subtle energies are more open.  Then you can bring them into the physical world.  The whole idea about multi dimensionality is that we can bring subtle energies from the subtle world into the physical world.  So we can be in the subtle world and the physical world at the same time.

 Question:        
The idea of time was very interesting.  Time is created by creating the universe.  When the universe ends, another universe or something like that will come.  In between, the subtle energy is going on with another dimension of time …. time is different.  Does it mean also that in my subtle world inside there is another time experience than in the physical world?

Sri Vasudeva:      
When you lose the body, for example, your idea of time will be completely different from when you are alive.  Because when you are alive, you are governed by the earth moving around the sun.  That’s how you measure time.  I am so many years old.  This is because the earth has moved around the sun so many times.

Question:        
That’s the physical world.  What about in the subtle world?

Sri Vasudeva:      
In the subtle world there is no earth moving around the sun so there is no watch to say how many times the earth has moved around the sun.  So the idea of time has to be different.   I cannot give you lecture on time in the subtle world.  We’ll have to get the experts in the subtle world for that.  I’m sure that the concept of time in the subtle world will be different.  It may be based on when things happen rather than movement of something.  It may be completely differently based. When events happen, between one event and another might be the idea of time, rather than having a fixed measure.  For example, when there is a need for us back in the world, then that will become a point in time for us.  When you are pulled from the subtle world back to come.  So that may be a whole different concept because there is no sun moving anywhere.  The idea of time will be different in that world. 

That’s amazing because we are so time conditioned by the earth moving around the sun, that we cannot imagine how life will be without an earth moving around the sun and without a clock like this or a calendar to shift.  Everytime the earth rotates, we shift a page of the calendar.  And everytime the earth makes a complete revolution around the sun, we shift a whole calendar to another year.  So if the sun and earth do not have that relationship, what’s going to happen?  By what are we going to govern time?  What is time going to be?  You can well imagine if you are in a dark room without any idea of sun and earth, what will be your sense of time?  No clock, nothing.  What will be your sense of time?  It will be the time between events, like when your body is hungry and filled or when someone knocks on the door and when they knock again.  But you will have no sense of the idea of the time in between, except when two events happen.  And if they happen irregularly you wouldn’t have an idea. So you may use something as when the body gets hungry to when it’s filled, as an idea of time.  So the whole idea of time is different.  So it’s a whole different concept.

Question:        
Is intuition coming from the Source?

Sri Vasudeva:      
Everything that is within us, comes from the Source but intuition is coming from a lower level within us.  It’s coming from the causal level or it can come from the universal field of thoughts around us.  We can attract certain thoughts towards us, that’s why they come.  By virtue of the thoughts we have in our mind, we can attract similar thoughts towards us.  And by virtue of what we are contemplating, the causal body can respond and so we say it’s coming from deep within.  But the Source is supporting all of it.  So you can say it’s coming from the Source but it’s coming from certain places, from where we are attracting it.  It’s all  supported by the Source.  But it’s not like the Source is saying, “I’m going to send this now to you or I’m going to send that to you.”  But we are attracting things from the information that is within us.  And in our own field and information that we attract from the subtle energy field that is coming from the collective. (??)

Question:        
The idea that we are the perfect Source is comforting and brings a great goal to work towards.  We wish that we could have a moment in your mind, to see how it feels toexist being completely expanded and connected, while living an everyday life that requires groundedness.   Can you describe this to us?

Sri Vasudeva:      
Well that’s what I’ve been doing for years, trying to describe … What can I say?  I try to radiate the joy of what this space is like, to everybody.  And I said during this 40 days, just to talk about the Source, is an excitement for me because it’s where I am centered everyday.  I can feel an infinite field inside of me and nothing can stop my enthusiasm to want to share this.  And the love that I feel, I know it’s coming from a place inside which is endless.  My thoughts, I feel that they generate power as I think of them from an endless space inside.  And I can bring vitality into my body from my breathing, from my focusing on certain chakras.  And I can feel the support from different realms, from different dimensions of being and that’s just so phenomenal.  I’m just so happy everyday in my inner space and in my relationship with the world.  I can relate to my world in harmony because I can feel the energies and I can relate to my world with compassion and understanding because I understand the nature of the world.  And that’s a joy that all of us can have.  But how can I describe it?  It’s difficult to know it unless you get into it.  That’s why I am pushing all of you, everyone who is listening, to try to experience that inner space.  It’s beautiful.  And throughout this 40 days, I’m going to try to push you.  I’m going to try to inspire you, to motivate you to become more disciplined, because when you do it while you are young, you have a whole lifetime of it.   At 24 years, I had this wonderful experience of being there and my life has been filled with it since 24 years and I wish that every 24 year old can have it or even 17 year old, or 14 year old – we’ll have a better society. 

Question:       

Whenever I focus on the brow chakra during and out of meditation,  I get a lot of pressure in my head and inward pressure in my eyebrow chakra.   I am not sure whether I am experiencing a physical problem or I’m experiencing energy trying to find an opening.

Sri Vasudeva:   
I do not think it is a physical problem, based on what you have described  but if you have physical problems in the body, certainly you need to check a doctor because I’m not a physician.  But from what you are saying, when you focus on the brow, in the beginning there’ll be physical pressure.  In the beginning, as the chakra is now trying to open up more and when you feel that inward pull, it becomes more and more energetic, not giving you headaches or any kind of physical discomfort but it’s more like an energy pull.  It can be a little bit uncomfortable energetically but not physically.  So if you are having some physical problem with the head area, please don’t try to concentrate too hard because it can become stressful.  Ultimately, if it is spiritual, which I think it is, because of your experiences when you were last here, I think it will go after a little while and you will feel this beautiful pull inside and the mind becoming very quiet and focused.  So all blessings to you.  May you continue to have the blessings of that chakra, the most powerful on the journey, so if you can have that then it is easier to make the final steps. 

Question:        
We cannot get away from not working through our imperfections.  We must work through layer after layer to get to the Source?  So as we peel away the layers then there is greater rootedness in various deeper levels till we get to Absolute Source?  So we can experience light but if we don’t deal with the "dark side" of our being and integrate it then we are not able to remain stable in the Source?  Human tendency is to ignore the dark side of our being, but all of that will surface through interactions and life itself, so that we will have to deal it?  Hence it is a personal journey and an evolution of our own being / knowing through the various levels? 
 
Sri Vasudeva:      
A nice point.  The dark side allows us to peel off layers and layers when we look at it – and I agree with that but when we begin to see the dark and we are challenged by it, that we need to work with it and to come to a better and better position.  But it is also nice when we can become proactive and don’t wait for the dark side to come.  And try to develop the power to deal with any dark side as they come.  Ultimately it would be nice to work deeper and deeper within you so that any bad side that surfaces, you can deal with it.  But a number of people try to become more disciplined or to work harder only when the dark side surfaces.  But I think it is also very nice to do things even though the dark side is not appearing as yet.  It’s nice to continue to work in developing your armor, your spiritual energies so that you can conquer any dark side that may begin to appear.  I do believe, ultimately that by breaking through the energy barriers of the chakras, the obstacles - we can overcome, a number of things.

We can sort of disintegrate patterns that are there that haven’t even come up as yet.   But because we are really pushing our development through the chakras, we are already working on them.  So it’s nice when you can go deeper in your meditation in good times, and work harder to make yourself stronger so when bad things surface from the outside of you, they don’t trigger you as they might have before. 

It’s also important, as you have said, that when dark sides appear, that we peel them off as we see them and work with them as they come, to get into a better place using all the tools that we have.  I am happy that you commented on the dark side.  That’s one way of working at it but I love to be more proactive.  So, for example, at 21 years old, I wanted to break open every barrier so that I can experience the highest state of consciousness and in doing so, I am able to deal with any situation now, no matter where it comes from, whether it comes from a past experience within me or whether it comes from outside of me.  But because of the place where I am now, I am able to deal with it.  So I do believe that being proactive and working harder when things are good and circumstances are favorable, that we can become stronger for the dark times.
 
Question:        
In yesterday's talk you referred to ‘atman,’ the Self.  Do you think ‘atman’ is related to the German word ‘Atmen,’ which means breathing?

Sri Vasudeva:      
That’s an interesting connection but I have no idea of the languages or the deeper meaning of the word in terms of language, but there may be a connection and it is interesting that you mentioned it.  Some people say when we breathe, the soul comes alive in the body.

Question:      
So after Big Bang the subtle realms were created and then gross visible realm in the same order as the chakras within us?

Sri Vasudeva:      
Big bang was a physical manifestation of our physical universe.  But subtle energies precede physical manifestations.  So subtle energies and subtle worlds already exist. With the big bang happening, subtle energies were not created after.  Subtle worlds existed before the big bang.  When the big bang started, it brought the physical world into manifestation.

Comment:     
I particularly loved the metaphor of the universe being like a bubble coming up in the infinite, existing for a while and bursting. I see our lives like that as well.
 
Sri Vasudeva:      
Yes, the metaphor of the bubble is a really nice metaphor.  The bubble comes up from the Source for a certain amount of time and then disappears – comes out of the Source,  goes back into the Source and the Source is not diminished by it.  Then another bubble comes up.  So I think it is a wonderful metaphor.

Comment:      
I love how the discussion is progressing both online and in the group.  There’s lots of food for thought, or maybe sometimes we need to stop thinking and just be.

Sri Vasudeva:      
I am trying to relate the meditation to the talks I am giving and trying to make it as practical as possible to your ordinary experiences.  For example, when I spoke about the Source and I said every activity that you engage in, can take you deeper into the Source.  Please don’t get headaches with it.  Look for the areas of practice and the Source is all about being.  So letting go of everything and just being is what should exist at the end of the discussion.  After we discuss and you understand, then all you need to do is to be.

Question:       
If I remember a very strong and powerful being like Baba Nityananda, for example, and I feel a very strong energy, is it because  I connect with his energy in the memory field or is He himself  irecting his energy towards me from the other planes?

Sri Vasudeva:      
It’s both.  Baba Nityananda’s presence is still in the subtle energy field.  And when you think of him strongly, you are attracting his energy and he is able to perceive that pull or that call from you and he is able to direct energy towards that as well.  So when you think of these enlightened beings and you feel a huge wave of energy, it is because they are responding to yours. 

Question:       
How can we transform the memories in the causal field?

Sri Vasudeva:      
What I always say is that you can go back, you can revisit the memories you have in the causal body and you can transform them.  You can add new dimension to them.  If you can go back into an old memory and bring it up, you can begin to see it in a new light.  And when it goes back, it goes back with more information.  So you can take an old memory and transform it and so it’s now a transformed memory.  It’s now an updated version of what the memory is in your memory bank. 
 
Sri Vasudeva:      
I brought in a few new points.  For example, we spoke of the concept of time.  I thought that was a very interesting concept to put to you as well.  The idea of time and the idea of different dimensions.  This time I am trying to bring more ideas of connecting with different dimensions or lokas at the same time.  So I am looking forward to talking more about that – the different planes of existence.  And it was nice when someone mentioned the subtle energy worlds.   I would like you to read and re- read the manuscripts and keep your questions coming.  Also I am in the new leaders community forum and I am trying to put a message there everyday or some point for discussion so please go to the leaders’ community that Yesu and JT are coordinating.

Question:        
Can we prevent the influence of the dark sides by meditation?  I wonder how this relates to therapy?

Sri Vasudeva:   
   
The dark side is within us and it comes up from time to time when it’s very powerful based on stimulation from the outside or based on the power that is there on the inside when the mind is idle.  But when the dark side comes up, we need to have some kind of weapon to deal with it.  If you meditate with good guidance and you are having good experiences in meditation, certainly that becomes a powerful tool to work with the dark side, because you will handle the dark side in a better way.  So you need to have the balance and when you have a dark side challenging you, you need to create the balance of stimulating the light side of you that it may become stronger.  And when you are weak and challenged, it’s best to associate with those who are strong, and continue to practice disciplines that can uplift you and make you stronger, and allow you to not be affected in an overwhelming way by the dark side.   When the dark side is threatening, you need to learn how to make the positive side stronger.

Comment:     
In regards to an earlier comment, we are able to handle the dark side differently with discipline, building inner strength and wisdom.  As a young person, it is rather difficult to remain disciplined.

Sri Vasudeva:      
The 40 days is a very good time for learning the tools to deal with the dark side.  We all carry dark sides because we all come from places that were dark.  In this 40 days, I am going to give you tools.  Give it all that you have, make it a priority, study the messages, listen to the counsel I am giving.  The meditations are beautiful and if you can get involved in the meditations, I’m sure they’ll make you stronger.  So please continue to join in with us.

Question:        
If our lives are like bubbles, do we ever stop bubbling up?  Do we ever stop returning to this plane of existence?  And if we do stop, does it have to do with fulfilling life’s purpose?

Sri Vasudeva:      
When I spoke about a bubble, I spoke about a whole big bang.  And I spoke about a universe being created, being a bubble.  I wasn’t speaking about the individual.  But our body is like a bubble too, living in time for a certain amount of time.  But the subtle energy existence that we have is not a bubble like the physical body.  That’s another bubble and takes a longer time.  So this subtle energy existence that we have, will continue to assume physical manifestations or physical vehicles until the subtle body becomes very pure and has no desire to want to get involved anymore in the physical manifestations or ultimately, even subtle manifestations.  And when all those desires have disappeared, then it will begin to merge into the final.  Then all the bubbles will go – the outer physical shell and the inner subtle shell. 
When we leave the physical body, the subtle energy body, which includes the causal in it, carries all the unfinished business with it and will need to take another physical body to complete its unfinished business. 

Question:       
How can you connect the Source to God and God to the Source?

Sri Vasudeva:  
    
We call the Source, God and I have been saying that in the messages.  But we have so many concepts of God.  When we think of the Source, we are not caught up in the concepts of God because the Source can accommodate any concept that we have.  But the Source is referred to, by many, as God.  So that’s the connection.